Posts by Sarah Smiles

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post the OT scripture that you find most disturbing.

by oompa in

i am too tired to find mine right now, but it involves men laying in wait to attack and rape sisters going to dance at a circuit assembly.

i think the purpose was to find even more wives for the tribe of benjamin.

great plan god.. ot stuff always weirded me out more than nt stuff, until i found out we have a totally fraudulant nt version, compete with the name jehovah spuriously inserted 237 times, along with many other spurious verses.

Sarah Smiles

There are plenty of disturbing scriptures. Sweetstuff's Judges 19 has certainly got to be up there as one of the worst. Slightly disturbing, but more totally irrational is the following -
Noah, a man of the soil, was the first to plant a vineyard. He drank some of the wine and became drunk, and he lay uncovered in his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father's nakedness. When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him, he said, "Cursed be Canaan; lowest of slaves shall he be to his brothers." He also said, "Blessed by the Lord my God be Shem; and let Canaan be his slave. May God make space for Japheth, and let him live in the tents of Shem; and let Canaan be his slave." (Genesis 9:20-27 NRSV)
What on earth is that all about? Noah goes on a bender, strips off and crashes on his bed. Ham pops into his tent and sees his father spreadeagled and showing off his family jewels, so he tiptoes out and tells his brothers. They in turn walk backwards (LOL) into Noah's tent and cover him up. Noah wakes up with a steaming hangover and after having a big strop condemns poor old Canaan to a life of slavery.
Go figure.

Some say Nakedness met intercourse. That would give Noah reason to curse someone!

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Witness Divorce= How do you "prove" to Elders you can re-marry?

by Witness 007 in

well if you divorce there's no re-marrying unless you can show your ex has commited adultery.

do they expect video footage, or pictures like the"cheaters" style t.v show.

do you need "2 witnesses" as the bible states.

Sarah Smiles

By introducing the elders or sit with your new love!

Proof is that you already have another one so why hid it!

Ok, I had an elder tell me 20 years later that men who look at pornography is grounds for divorce. It is not the actual act! I bet a lot of elders would say the opposite.

Know the elders personal viewpoints at the kingdom hall were you attend! Some need two witness, other just need to sit in front of the person house, another might want a video camera, or they might just ask a direct question to the spouse to catch their reply!

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Witness Brother had baptism voided after fornication= Not disfellowshiped??

by Witness 007 in

do you know about this loop hole rule?

a short time after baptism a young man i knew commited fornication but told the elders he didn't know it was a sin, he didn't have full knowledge when baptized.

his baptizm was voided and he had to study and be baptized again at a later date.

Sarah Smiles

Wow, that is a rule I did not know about!

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Do you talk to more people now,about the WBT$?

by OUTLAW in

do you talk to more people now about the wbt$?....than you did as an "active jehovah`s witness?

"................................outlaw

Sarah Smiles

The anger with the JDUBS does not go away! I talk with family members so they do not feel guilty for not attending meetings! Non of us celebrate Christmas yet. It still feels strange!

I thought about having a group in town like AA but for JDUBs so they can share their stories and greet anyone who has questions.

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what is the "daily sacrifice"?

by tula in

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Sarah Smiles

If you cant make it to the temple how about a little oil and flour if your poor!

Today, I thought Jesus took the place of sacrifices? Sacrifices for all mankind if they have faith in him. That is a big topic on t.v. right now! Does one need to believe in Jesus in order to be saved by his sacrifice? Some say prayers are sacrifices! Prayers to YHWH and Jesus.

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Died faithful so she has a chance for a resurrection --- Huh?

by mimimimi in

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yesterday at the grocery store, i ran into a sister from the hall.

i have not attended meetings now for 15 to 16 months, but most people there think my health has been really bad and that is why i don't go any more.

anyway, i asked her how her mother was and she told me her mother passed away in july at the age of 95. she then said that her mother died faithful, so she would have a chance for a resurrection.

Sarah Smiles

It just goes to show everyone if doctrines as important as resurrection can flip flop then how can they be true prophets(John class in Heavens) giving the remaining prophets new light! I think I will stick with Acts that is easy and to the point!

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Died faithful so she has a chance for a resurrection --- Huh?

by mimimimi in

jw
friends

yesterday at the grocery store, i ran into a sister from the hall.

i have not attended meetings now for 15 to 16 months, but most people there think my health has been really bad and that is why i don't go any more.

anyway, i asked her how her mother was and she told me her mother passed away in july at the age of 95. she then said that her mother died faithful, so she would have a chance for a resurrection.

Sarah Smiles

MiMi I think she made a judgement call, perhaps latter she might regret saying that to you but I doubt it. I have had JDUBS say some off the wall strange stuff to me exactly what you are referring to the lady in the store. It is like they teach unrealistic gloating and puffed up pride. If you think about it! she was not there for her mother when she had that stroke. One thing I noticed about people who brag they also tell another story! I bet she was the primary care giver and went to the meeting that night instead of staying home to watch her mother!

She also made a point to tell me that her mother died of a stroke while she herself was at a meeting at the Hall

In my area, I took care of my mother and could not make meetings and it got the elders upset. About Seven years later, a JDUB grandaughter went off preparing for a new Kingdom Hall and neglected her older grandfather! he had an accident under her care because of her neglect and at the new kindom hall. Here is how she prsented her story at the assembly, she had a special part as a faithful person to Jehovah, she bragged about it to everyone how she was still able to get in her hours for pioneer and help build a new kingdom hall as she took care of her aging grandfather! Never once did she mention anything about the accident that changed her grandfathers life to death!

It is called neglect! Perhaps, this women aging mother of 95 would have survived her stroke if her faithful daughter was at home with her! And this is not the only case I have heard regarding JDUBS neglecting the aging to attend meetings or pioneer!

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My JW Experience

by V1710 in

i've been lurking here for a few years on and off.

i faded from the borg seven years ago and haven't had one regret since.

the only regret i have is wasting twenty years of my life and my children's lives.

Sarah Smiles

Welcome!

She asked me if I kew of someone personally and I said "YES" She said "Well, there is no perfect organization"

Typical reply! It is like they have to protect the organization no matter what. I do not know if I could have came up with her reply so fast! No empathy what so ever!

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Christmas VS. Jehovah's Witnesses Dolls, Figurines!

by Sarah Smiles in

raised as one of jehovah's witness i was taught that christmas was pagan!

one reason was the miss use of false images of jesus and mary.

the catholic church members bowed down to the image of mary and jesus.

Sarah Smiles

I am going to celebrate Christmas this year because I do not think it is pagan or orginated with the pagans!

My point it that Jehovah's Witness seem to think that figurines are ok as well as dolls yet they are pagan and originated with pagans. Even God warned about making idols but he did not make one of his commandments about celebrating his the mark of his the Messiah birth! If I am wrong let me know!

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Old light?

by logic in

watchtower august 15.

1968 first paragraph.

article , why are you looking to 1975 what about all this talk concerning the year 1975?

Sarah Smiles

Nowadays they don't have their prophet and so the WTS publications are dreary rehashes of stale doctrine along with emphasis on loyalty and hatred of apostates.

Gopher how true is that one! People should really read old books and see how they just rewrote the old light to appeal modern. For example, Rutherfords group speaking in tongues, see Riches book, who are now dead in heavens according to the WTBTS. Now they are the John Class who are sending flashes of divine light, channeling,see R.I.G.C.I.A.H., to the 8,800 remaining earthly John Class! It is all fiction! but the people at the kingdom hall reading the Revelation book will not understand that unless they read old books! Oh and the JDUBS(brothers and sisters) do not believe in channeling and speaking in tongues but it is in there books!

Weird writings never stopped they just had to find ways to sensationalize their doctrines and that was one of them! What they write and what the average Jehovah's Witness believe is different. When I was a Jehovahs Witness I knew nothing about channeling or that they spoke in tongues!